Dear Regen Advocate, 

Duration: as needed

Individual or group: group

Instruction: Find a quiet and comfortable place and sit together and do a round of long introductions. For instance: appoint a timekeeper and each person talks about themself for 7 minutes. When the time is up let the person finish in one or two sentences and then switch to another.

If you have more time you can make another round of sharing or a chat about what you have just heard about each other, what you find in common, what you are curious about. Enjoy learning about each other. Now going for a walk or lunch together will feel much more enjoyable and connected.

Duration: 3 hours

Individual or group: group

Instructions: Invite everyone in your community to cook a dinner to share and bring it to your house or a shared space. You can invite them to bring a song, story, poem or instrument too if they have one.

Duration or Time Needed: As needed

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: Stand in a circle. Anyone can "step into" the center of the circle, and make a short statement about something true for them, e.g. "I'm nervous about telling my family that I'm in XR."

If that statement is true for anyone else in the circle, they can "step in" towards the center of the circle. Stay for a few seconds together in the middle of the circle, then everyone "steps out".

Repeat.

Reference: Starhawk.

Individual or group: personal connections within the bigger group

The Buddy System has several meanings in XR. It can mean having someone in your group who is willing to support a new rebel. They can ensure that the new rebel understands what is going on, is linked into the different communication platforms, and are aware of all the XR training on offer. It can also be something more formal such as sessions run over several weeks to introduce new rebels to XR and your group.

Alternatively, it is used when a small group of rebels (2-4) agrees to look after each other, especially at the action, watching out for each other’s well-being and ensuring no one becomes lost or distressed.

See: the AG buddy system in the Rebel Tool Kit.

Duration: 30 mins possibly at a regular time e.g. after lunch

Individual or group: group or individually, useful when spending all days together in a camp or action week.

Instructions: Find a relaxing place and sit together for about 30 minutes, relaxing, meditating, reading a book (NOT social media), listening to the relaxing music on your headphones.

You may also use guided meditation (from youtube, etc.). Do not talk. You may do the same activity together as a group or each person individually according to their needs. The idea is to pause together at the same time and be non-productive and lazy together for 30 minutes.

Duration: a few minutes

Individual or group: both, group or individually 

Instructions: Find a quiet, private, comfortable place. Sit down. Put one hand on your knee or in your lap. Place the other on your belly.

Now hum. Not from your throat or chest, but from the bottom of your belly. Hum strong and steady. Push the air out of your belly firmly, not gently. Stop to breathe in, but return to the hum with each new breath. Experience the hum in your belly. Then sense it in the rest of your body. Continue humming for two minutes.

When you’re done, reach your arms upward. Then, slowly and gently, feel your body with your hands, starting from the top of your head. Move slowly down your neck and along your chest, then below your waist, then past your knees, until your arms are fully extended downward. What do you notice?”

Reference: Resmaa Menakam, My Grandmother’s Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies (Central Recovery Press: 2017), 137, 35. The website: Trauma and Healing / On Youtube. Also check TEDx: Amit Carnelli, who teachers "sighing into your music" instead of "singing" in his vocal workshops.

Duration: a few minutes

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: This is a practice at the beginning of the meeting. It works beautifully with check-ins/ introductions but doesn’t replace them (!). It helps to arrive, settle, and feel seen by the group with all the circumstances that affect us.

Before check-ins/introductions, we do the first round of short (max. 2 sentences) acknowledgments of anything that disturbs us at the moment. It might be an unpleasant situation on the way to the meeting, it might be trouble in the workplace or a friends’ quarrel, it might be a spilled coffee on the desk or a sleepless night, it might also be something joyful and exciting... We acknowledge things that may distract us and make our contributions to the meeting difficult. Then we do introductions or check-ins round (sharing something that we like or it made us happy recently).

The source: Jon Young and Michi Burger - Connection 1st Journey (Day 2) here

Duration: as needed

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: Find time before and after action to pause and sitting together in the possibly peaceful place. Give yourself as a team time of doing nothing and then share how you are at the moment, what are your concerns, how you feel, what you need right now. It is a sort of long unhurried (!) check-in before and check-out after action.

Duration:

Individual or group: group

Instructions: The following guidelines are offered to support creating safe, boundaried, inclusive spaces that may be used in a variety of ways, including:

• Pre-Action emotional debriefs

• Post-Action emotional debriefs

• Affinity/Local/Working Group process

The host/facilitator can be responsible for inviting and explaining the ground rules of the circle, and shared intentions. It’s helpful if over time the role of the host is rotated so that all participants have an opportunity to practice. Unlike a conventional facilitator role, the host sits within the process and participates in the circle, and calls the group to peer-to-peer shared accountability of how the circle proceeds.

A space should either be a physical location or a virtual online location. Any space should be free of outside interruptions and comfortable. If not online, chairs or cushions can form a circle so that everyone can see each other, who is talking, and hear, listen and interact with everyone present. Ideally there should be no more than 20 people in any one circle.

If we imagine the circle as a wheel, the center is the hub. Originally a fire was often at the center of a circle - a fire requires tending, the center of a circle also requires tending to. We can place meaningful objects at the center of the circle. A candle is a practical or a symbolic representation of the group’s intention and an invitation to focus - flowers, images, or a natural object. The center provides a neutral space where diversity of thought, stories of grief and outrage and heartfulness, can be held and considered by all participants.

The intention is what gets us in the room together, usually people are glad that someone took the initiative to lead. The intention may seem obvious but sharing an explicit intention supports the creation of a shared container. The intention may be as simple as ‘this circle is to hold a space in which participants can share their emotional responses and what feelings they have been left with since the action.

Process. The circle has a beginning, a middle, and an end. The host can offer a simple ritual to signify these shifts. A beginning chime that beckons silence, a lighting of a candle, setting out of objects, or reading of a quote or poem. These may help the participants pause and reflect on how they are feeling.

Group Agreements. The success of a circle rests on the ability of the participants to understand, contribute to and abide by rules of respectful engagement. Agreements provide trust and an interpersonal safety net for participating in the crircle. Agreements are the circle’s way of self-governing and create a way for each member to hold both themselves and others accountable for how they interact. Suggested initial agreements would include:

• Confidentiality

• Listening with curiosity and compassion

• Speak from the ‘I’ - only speak from our own experience and within the circle, we refrain from commenting about or offering advice/opinion about what another has shared.

Our agreements are what ‘carry us through stormy seas’ and a group may well need to spend time creating strong and thoughtful agreements that can act as a life-raft for everyone present.

Middle: A Talking Stick or other natural object is something that signifies to everyone that whoever is holding it is the only person allowed to speak at that time. It’s useful in ensuring that each person has a turn at speaking. A talking piece can encourage the people not speaking to listen more deeply since they’re not thinking about what they may say in response to the person speaking.

There are two ways in which a talking piece can be used in the circle. You can pass it around the circle n or it can be placed in the middle of the circle and whoever feels ready to speak can pick it up replacing it when they are finished. These both lead to very different types of conversations. Passing the talking piece consecutively around the circle can lead to a deeper experience for the individual and the circle as a whole While placing the talking piece center after a person has spoken leads to a more conversational type of discussion.

No one should feel obliged to speak if they don’t want to and if a participant passes the talking piece on when it’s their turn to speak, they can request the talking piece at any point if they want it. Some people need some time to think about what they’d like to say.

Timings: Depending on the group's size and time available, there may be a need to agree on how long each participant speaks for - the host or timekeeper may need to keep an eye on this - a bell or chime can mark the time ending.

Summary. A suggested circle might run like this:

1. Welcome

2. Group Agreements/housekeeping/timings

3. Opening Ritual - lighting candle/chime

4. Intention/Enquiry/Poem

5. Some reflective silence and invitation to check in with how you are right now.

6. Initial Check-in round of name, where you have come from, and one word of how you are right now.

7. Longer open round using a talking stick where sharing is either completely open or in response to an initial intention, reflection, or shared inquiry.

8. Closing one word round.

9. Some minutes of silence

10. Closing Ritual - blowing out candle/chime

11. Deciding next meeting dates/host if necessary

Reference.

Duration: 15 - 30 min

Individual or group: Group.

Instructions: Assemble in a circle. Number people alternately, "1" and "2". "1" form a pair with the "2" on their right.
The facilitator poses a question, like "Who has enabled you to be here today?" Spend 30-90 seconds with "1" giving their answer to the question, and "2" listening.

The facilitator rings a bell or calls out to indicate that it is time to switch. Spend 30-90 seconds with "2" giving their answer to the question, and "1" listening.

The facilitator rings a bell or calls out, to indicate that it is time to move on. Thank your partner. Then all the "1"s get up, move to the right, and take the spot of the "1" on the other side of their partner.

Repeat in a new pair.

List of questions that can be used:

Openings

• What was something you left behind to be here?

• Who is someone (/a movement) that has inspired you? Whose shoulders do you stand on?

• What is something that brings you joy?

• What is something that sustains you?

Non-violent direct action

• What is a social movement that you have felt inspired by, and why?

• What is essential to building a sustainable movement for change? What gets in the way?

• What is one obstacle for you to take a public stance or get involved?

• What is one fear you hold? How do you manifest courage in light of that fear?

Vision and Values

• What is something you want to dismantle? Something you want to create? (internal and/or external)

• In thinking about your vision and values for change, what practices or principles do you draw from for guidance?

• What is one belief you once held which you no longer do? What enabled the change?

• What is your connection to the power of non-violence? (personal or political)

Earth and Environment

• How do you feel separate from the earth? How do you feel connected?

• Where/how do you see the "sacred"?

• What is one way you feel indebted to the earth?

• Where do you see racism impacting the climate/climate justice work?

Personal and cultural

• How do you see yourself identity-wise, and why does it matter to being part of the change?

• What’s one thing you are saying yes to, and one thing you are saying no to?

• When was the last time you cried?

• If you could have one superpower, what would it be?

Reference

Duration: 2 hours

Individual or group: group in circles of 4 to 5 persons

Appoint a timekeeper in each circle.

Instructions: An Empathy Circle is different from a normal conversation. And it usually requires you to experience it to notice its strengths. There is a simple structure and a set of values we share. We may feel limited at first but it is ultimately very freeing.

The best number of participants is 4 up to 5. There are three roles: Speaker, Active Listener, Silent Listeners.

• The first person becomes a Speaker and he or she selects who they will speak to.

• For an allotted time (typically 4-5 min) the Speaker talks about whatever comes up for him or her. The Active Listener reflects back on what he/she is hearing until the Speaker feels satisfied that they have been heard and understood.

• Then the Active Listener becomes the next Speaker and selects a new person who will listen and reflect.

• And that is how an Empathy Circle unfolds.

Speaker Tips

Select who will listen to you. It is good to be able to include everyone, but it’s always your free choice.

Pause often to give the listener a chance to reflect on what they have heard.

Check if they understood you to your satisfaction. If not, say it again, maybe in different words or with more details... until you feel understood.

When time is up and you feel heard, you can say “I’m fully heard” - it is a small ritual we use to indicate that we are finished with our turn.

Active Listener Tips

In your own words, try to reflect back the essence of what you heard from the Speaker.

Refrain from asking questions, judging, analyzing, detaching, diagnosing, advising, or even sympathizing. This is the Speaker’s time to be heard. You will get your time to express yourself when it’s your turn - you can say anything you want then.

Ask the speaker to pause periodically so you can reflect on what you have heard.

Silent Listeners Tips

Everyone helps hold the circle by monitoring and following the steps. The dialogue continues around the circle. Listen and be present to the exchange between the speaker and active listener. You will soon have a turn to actively listen and speak. Notice the difference in your focus between when you are a Silent Listener and an Active Listener.

Topic:

The group may choose a particular topic or issue to discuss, however, every participant may always talk about something else that is important to them at the time so that they have the opportunity to feel heard about issues that are alive for them at that moment.

A 9 min instruction video
An instance of XR recording
Reference
XR Empathy Circles on FB, XR Empathy Circles on Global MM

Duration: 1.5 hours or more

Individual or group: between 3-7 people in one group

Instructions: A facilitator (or leader) in the group can help create an understanding of the importance of recognizing the difficult feelings around our grief. That this is a safe space to do so, and that if we do not allow these feelings to be felt and seen, this will only be a dysfunctional rebellion that attacks itself from the inside out. This is how we compost our hurt and despair. It is necessary to fertilize a new culture.

Start going around clockwise a couple of times inviting a spontaneous response to a single opening question or prompt. Each person answers the same question 2-5 times, in turn (one response per round). Some possible examples might be:

• Tell me something you are grieving about. Or

• What are you afraid to feel? Or

• What comes up for you when you let go of hope?

Then popcorn-style (who wants to speak - they speak) responses thereafter, remembering to ask those who haven't volunteered to speak - without putting pressure on anyone to share.

If there is the time in the end it can bring the group closer together if a few people who were particularly moved, shaken, or are still processing their feelings share with the group what they are experiencing. Allowing ourselves to feel these feelings and be seen by our community as we experience them can help our personal healing, and can have the miraculous effect of deepening trust, love, and cohesion within the group.

Duration: 1 hour

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: Organize 1-hour meeting:

• Intro / check-ins

• Learning circle format. A 5-minute statement* about inner healing is read out and discussed.

• Use easy-to-access inner-healing techniques - such as:

  • self- hand and face massage,

  • inversion (lying on the floor with feet up on a chair, 5- 10 mins),

  • listening to 111-hz frequency music (we suggest searching for the explanation, e.g. here)

  • journalling,

  • ‘doing nothing’,

  • meditating,

  • essential oils, drinking herbal tea, etc.

• have-a-go (optional) at any of the above

• back together to discuss technics

• close

* A writing which contains a gentle philosophical entry into thinking about and exploring emotional/spiritual (inner) healing. You may use a mixture of your own experience (though don't delve into trauma or wounds), quotes, and evidence-based research.

Duration: 1.5 hours

Individual or group: individual, with your buddy, group

Instructions: Follow the guidance on the Walks that Reconnect page, where you will find detailed guides for four walks, recordings, and practical tips to organize 4 walking sessions with your group. You may also try it alone or with your soulmate/buddy.

Frances, Kirsty, Tom & Zoe - a team of ‘Work that Reconnects’ facilitators, offers a practice of mindful walking: “To step out into your surrounding landscape for a nourishing walk, alone, with one other, or more if appropriate. As you walk you will be guided through a spiral of ‘The Work that Reconnects’, a journey designed to help us experience firsthand that we are larger, stronger, more creative – and more deeply interconnected – than we knew. A body of work used to support and nourish activists around the world for the past four decades, these are practices that nourish and resources our Active Hope – hope that we ‘do’ rather than have.”

Reference: Walks that Reconnect.

Duration or Time Needed: from 2 hours practices online to a cycle of 4 or 8 seminars or readings or just different exercises. It depends whether on online or in-person

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: You need a “work that reconnects facilitator” who will take the group through processes that are designed to create regenerative space for activists.

Reference: Work That Reconnects

Duration: 1.5 hours

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: Find someone from within or outside of your group who can teach simple community harmony singing. Hold regular singing sessions in each other's homes or in a public space or a beautiful natural space, like in the woods or on top of a hill. Learn beautiful songs, set your intentions for the song, sing together. Here you will find few songbooks:

• We Want to Live - September Rebellion Song Lyric Collection

• Lyrics and mp3 samples of XR songs

Check the Sing for the Rebellion - a regen session organized by Marcus and Holly (Facebook event). REGISTER HERE.

XR UK Music Rebellion

Duration: 2 hours

Individual or group: group of mixed ages

Instructions: Learn circle dancing. There are resources online and weekly gatherings in many cities around the world. Invite a circle dancing teacher to come and hold a session in your community. If you're keen you can learn a handful of circle dances that you can continue to share with neighbors. Then gather a willing band or individuals to play the tunes and start a tradition in your community.

Duration: Evening

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: Organize a place for music, and ask people to bring food. Spend time together dancing and chatting.

Duration: ongoing

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: Organize group action and plant seeds and cuttings together.

Duration 10 minutes

Individual or group: Individual

Instructions: Split the list of things you have to do under the titles Inspirer and Expirer or Inhale and Exhale.

The actions that will require output of energy go on the Exhale list, the actions that will nourish you go on the Inhale list.

As you finish each task, ask yourself if you have the energy to give or do you need to nourish your energy levels, and choose one from another list accordingly.

Duration: 10 minutes

Individual or group: Individual

Instructions: At the top of a page, write down 4 or 5 of the basic psychological needs you have today - e.g. connection, financial security, respect, laughter, equanimity, etc.:

• Then as you write your To-Do list you check it against the list of needs.

• Add things that will fulfill your needs.

• If too many things on your list don't serve any of your needs, you might question whether they are essential to do today.

Duration or Time Needed: 5 minutes or more

Individual or group: Individual

Instructions: Thank all parts or systems of your body for keeping you healthy and alive. I like to start with "thank you bones" and "thank you muscles" and end up around "thank you heart, thank you brain". It's very simple but brings me back into all of the work that my body is doing involuntarily and the magic that living is. I like to go through all the organs separately, but you can also simply say, "thank you digestive system, thank you nervous system", etc.

This practice brings me a lot of joy, especially when I am tired. Also possible to do the same exercise with "I love you brain" etc. Don't forget skin! Skin does so much filtering and protecting the internal organs!

Duration: 6 - 8 minutes

Individual or group: Group

Guided activity

Instructions: This is a practice to use when you are feeling stressed and need to find some inner calm. It may be useful when you are in a situation where you can't communicate with others.

Ask everyone in the group to look at one of their hands:

• Ask them to look at their smallest finger. It represents their vulnerable self. It can't do much on its own, it's not very strong. It's important to recognize our feelings of vulnerability, they are real and valid.

• Next, focus on the finger beside it. This finger represents the people who are standing alongside you, even when they can't actually be with you. You can feel their presence, just as you can feel these two fingers together, leaning on each other, and how much stronger they are side by side.

• The middle finger, usually the longest, represents your courage. It sticks up above the others, just like you when you are not afraid to be seen and to stand up for what you believe in. But it needs all the other fingers beside it to do this, just as we need all the parts of ourselves, to have courage.

• Next is your index finger. This represents your direction; it points the way towards how you are going to move forward, into the future. It can represent your confidence.

• Finally, your thumb. Your thumb represents what the world throws at you, good things (thumbs up) and bad (thumbs down). To remind yourself that you ARE strong enough to deal with these things, you can wrap your other fingers around your thumb.

When you can't get a hug from someone, you can hold your fingers together with your other hand.

For people who don't have all their fingers or any, or who can't reach them (because they are hand-cuffed?) it's possible to make a parallel version of this exercise, using your own facial features.

• Ears - vulnerability (loud noises, aggression)

• Mouth - support (sing, hum, or whisper to yourself)

• Eyes - courage (keep looking ahead)

• Nose - your direction, the future, confidence

Close your eyes when you need to. Remember everyone else.

Duration: may need time or can be instantaneous

Individual or group: Individual (can also be group, depending)

Instructions: In exercising "letting go," the mantra is "no thought is 100 percent true." What this means is that however, we are seeing a person or situation, we can only do so from our own, pre-conditioned thought system (at first, and especially in conflict).

Strong emotions usually indicate that we are seeing a person or situation as a threat to something we value or to ourselves, or to our own self-image. This feeling of threat may actually be from past trauma. We may not actually KNOW if the situation NOW is a true threat.

The intensity of our anger or other emotions usually relates to the level of fear we have of this "threat." All of this is coming from our own thoughts about the person or situation and not necessarily FROM that person or situation. Our thoughts may not be true (another person has their own reality about things).

Practicing "letting go" is practicing questioning your own reality about the situation. Do you REALLY know what is driving the other person, or if they are out to hurt you or ruin everything? So...

Step 1) Allow yourself to feel all of your emotions without blame or shame. You are a human being just like everyone else, and the stakes in this movement are indeed high. Forgive yourself.

Step 2) Notice the energy of your emotions, the feeling you may have to enroll others in your viewpoint. All of this is created by conditioned thinking, none of which we can be sure is 100% true. It is OK to "vent" to others who are good at listening without jumping on your bandwagon. Please ask them to listen quietly without judging you or the other person.

Step 3) Consider if your thoughts are actually true or 100% true. Consider letting go of these thoughts (the ego may struggle with this). Just considering is important, even if you don't let go entirely. Considering creates a mental opening and space for fresh and new thinking.

Step 4) If the situation is such that you do not need mediation just now, consider letting go of your grievance. If this does not feel right, is there some kernel of truth or value you might like to write down that you don't want to "lose" (For example: "I don't want someone in this movement to dominate every meeting"). OK - once, written, again try to let angry and blaming thoughts and feelings go. This may take time and feel free to go for a walk in the woods, read a book or etc. or take a few days or more! There is no right way.

Remember that the other person has her/his/their own reality too and may also feel quite frightened. Can you feel their humanity in any way? If you feel any compassion for the person, you may wish to express that. It will also help them calm down about the situation. When personal thoughts/ conditioning begin to calm down (are "let go") then a true heart-to-heart dialogue or mediation can happen if necessary. Sometimes, no further dialogue is needed because by now you will be seeing the situation quite differently and feeling better.

Duration: 20 minutes a day or 2 hours per week

Individual or group: group and individual

Instructions: The emotional freedom technique (EFT) is an alternative treatment for physical pain and emotional distress. It’s also referred to as tapping or psychological acupressure. People who use this technique believe tapping the body can create a balance in your energy system and treat pain. According to its developer, Gary Craig, a disruption in energy is the cause of all negative emotions and pain.

EFT tapping can be divided into five steps. If you have more than one issue or fear, you can repeat this sequence to address it and reduce or eliminate the intensity of your negative feeling.

1. Identify the issue: In order for this technique to be effective, you must first identify the issue or fear you have. This will be your focal point while you’re tapping. Focusing on only one problem at a time is purported to enhance your outcome.

2. Test the initial intensity: After you identify your problem area, you need to set a benchmark level of intensity. The intensity level is rated on a scale from 0 to 10, with 10 being the worst or most difficult. The scale assesses the emotional or physical pain and discomfort you feel from your focal issue.

Establishing a benchmark helps you monitor your progress after performing a complete EFT sequence. If your initial intensity was 10 prior to tapping and ended at 5, you’d have accomplished a 50 percent improvement level.

3. The setup: Prior to tapping, you need to establish a phrase that explains what you’re trying to address. It must focus on two main goals:

• acknowledging the issues

• accepting yourself despite the problem

The common setup phrase is: “Even though I have this [fear or problem], I deeply and completely accept myself.” You can alter this phrase so that it fits your problem, but it must not address someone else’s. For example, you can’t say, “Even though my mother is sick, I deeply and completely accept myself.” You have to focus on how the problem makes you feel in order to relieve the distress it causes. It’s better to address this situation by saying, “Even though I’m sad my mother is sick, I deeply and completely accept myself.”

4. EFT tapping sequence is the methodic tapping on the ends of nine meridian points. There are 12 major meridians that mirror each side of the body and correspond to an internal organ. However, EFT mainly focuses on these nine:

• karate chop (KC): small intestine meridian

• top of the head (TH): governing vessel

• eyebrow (EB): bladder meridian

• side of the eye (SE): gallbladder meridian

• under the eye (UE): stomach meridian

• under the nose (UN): governing vessel

• chin (Ch): central vessel

• beginning of the collarbone (CB): kidney meridian

• under the arm (UA): spleen meridian

Begin by tapping the karate chop point while simultaneously reciting your setup phrase three times. Then, tap each following point seven times, moving down the body in this ascending order:

• eyebrow

• side of the eye

• under the eye

• under the nose

• chin

• beginning of the collarbone

• under the arm

After tapping the underarm point, finish the sequence at the top of the head point. While tapping the ascending points, recite a reminder phrase to maintain focus on your problem area. If your setup phrase is, “Even though I’m sad my mother is sick, I deeply and completely accept myself,” your reminder phrase can be, “The sadness I feel that my mother is sick.” Recite this phrase at each tapping point. Repeat this sequence two or three times.

5. Test the final intensity: At the end of your sequence, rate your intensity level on a scale from 0 to 10. Compare your results with your initial intensity level. If you haven’t reached 0, repeat this process until you do.

Reference.

Duration: 10 days of free course, thereafter 1hour per day

Individual or group: Learn in the group, continue as an individual and group activity.

Instructions: Practicing Vipassana requires a 10-days course (based on gift-economy, there are participants who can’t afford to contribute and they are welcomed). It is a changing life experience. For more check the Vipassana Meditation.

Duration: 2 hours

Individual or group: Group

Instructions: Get people in the audience to tell their stories and act them out for them. This is an extant art form that has been around for many years, and was originated by Jonathan Fox and Jo Salas in 1975!